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president obama in these sorts of negotiations. >> america's happy warrior could be ruled out. what's your headline, good sir? >> unfortunately like past headlines, "in a jobs crisis, the republicans are still trying to cut health care and economic aid." i think that will be more and more difficult for them to carry as a message when people back home don't talk about cliffs, they talk about jobs, they talk about unemployment, and they don't want manufactured crises from washington when you could cut these tax hikes on the middle class, first order of business. >> it is fascinating. you eluded to it earlier, number of guests have talked about this as well, how we are very much in the posturing phase period as you indicated. a lot of bluster, a lot of chest thumping. one has to wonder at what point, at what point, perry, all of that ends and the real negotiating gets started. >> it's going to get close -- january 1st is getting closer. we're further from the posturing stage and further to the negotiating phase. i assume boehner will have a plan of his own he knows won't be passed either, but
negotiations rewind to 2011 when boehner and president obama came within inches of a grand bargain, a deal that would have forced both democrats and republicans to eat their vegetables. in its comprehensive analysis of what happens during the secret negotiations, matt bai wrote -- the deal unraveled in large part because speaker boehner could not get his unruly caucus to go along with raising new revenue. fast forward to this year and republicans now think that deal, the one they walked away from, sounds pretty good. they're using it as a basis for their current proposal. only problem. boehner had his chance. president obama now thinks he has the upper hand. according to the "washington post's" ezra klein, quote -- >> joining us now representative chris van hollen of maryland, ranking member of the house budget committee. great to have you on the program. >> great to be with you, alex. >> let's talk a little bit about 2011 versus 2012, which is to say, the republican party is a very different negotiating position than they were last year and as ezra outlines, it sounds like john boehner wo
to a vote. this treaty, though signed by president obama, was actually negotiated by president george w. bush. but that was not good enough for 38 republicans. republicans made up transparently ridiculous reasons to vote against it. they said it threatened america's sovereignty, even though senator kerry repeatedly showed them that the treaty requires no changes in u.s. law and that the treaty cannot be used as the basis for a lawsuit in u.s. courts. the opponents said it was inappropriate to consider a treaty ma post election lame duck session, never mind that just since i've been watching the senate, they've approved treaties 19 times during lame duck sessions. and then they said, and this is what did it, this is what the 38 no votes were trapped by, the tiniest possible interest group you could imagine affecting the outcome of something so important. the homeschooling crowd. then they said that the treaty endangered homeschooling. homeschooling fanatics expressed worry that the treaty could lead to the government imposing new regulations on the homeschooling of disabled children, eve
is one of many geithnerreasury secretary tim geithner, mr. obama's lead with t negotiator, will have meetings e bowlesth top congressional thisrs. othpson bowles met with all the ue.yers at both ends of 'mnnsylvania avenue. >> i'm not more optimistic or less optimistic. puthopeful but don't put me e nearnywhere near the optimistic category. tove got a long way to go and a likefew days to get it done. >> lindsey graham from south carolina have offered to break a revenueax increase pledge and ntise revenue as part of a deal but graham now is pulling back until the president offers ntitlement reform. a i've not seen one deal from country downouse that deal with medicare, medicaid and social security which are all going to fail and take this country down the road of grief. and until i hear something from the white house on that, i'm not going to say another thing on revenue. >> mr. obama will meet with his v vanquished republican rival, mitt romney. it's been several weeks, after all, since the election night when president obama vowed to ph.t with mitt romney. ga major garret, thank you
the way they're actually negotiating. you know, i will remind you, during the obama care negotiations and back and forth between congress and the president, it was a pretty fascinating thing to air when the president sat down with congress and had his exchange with paul ryan over the intricacies of obama care. it was useful. this could be useful as well. >> i actually agree with will, l.z. i think it would be a real education for people. >> for what people? us. we're the ones that are into this kind of stuff. the american people, they're not. think about the number of people who still think president obama was not born in this country. think about the number of people who believe that president obama is not a christian despite the amount of information we tell them over and over again. they still hold on to their partisan values and thoughts. that's why i don't think this will be productive. because it doesn't really matter how much facts you give people. they're going to believe what they want to believe. >> i just saw the movie "lincoln." that gave me more faith in america. >> i saw
time they talked in a week. i'm told though, that there is no real progress in the negotiations. as you know, president obama insi insists there is no deal to present on the top 2% of earners. >> it doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. all of those americans too get a tax cut on that finramework. in some sense it is a tax cut for all americans. >> bottom line, we are talking today but we are still at stalemate. a phone call is big news between these two. >> we are hearing about senate republicans, what are you hearing, how significant is it. it is significant for a couple of reasons. these three republicans in different ways suggested that they would be okay with what most republicans are saying that they are not okay with. raising tax rates for the wealthy. he is the most conservative not just fiscally. the way these things tend to go, is that there is a little bit of a crack and that tends to send the other cracks into what is now a solid opposition and we will see how that goes. we are talking about senate republicans and the key thing that we have to watch is house repu
a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturi posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washington. >> mitt romney makes his way to the white house. >> the political power lunch of 2012. >> it's not
of the policy and the delivery and not negotiating. hold on. here is what it is. president obama saying i will ignore all of your requests. they are all mine on the table. you supposed to come back, the republicans and be, bring something to the negotiating table. it's ridiculous. >> eric: this is a negotiating point. >> bob: i want to know the increase in the upper tax rate bothers you so much. >> dana: it's bad policy. >> it is political revenge. pays for 8.5 days for government spending. you don't get anything except for lower productivity of people you ask to create more jobs. that is why. >> he can final it in his base. that is why he is proposing more spending. >> brian: incredible. to see him campaign with tinker toys and angry birds makes us think it's another 4-1/2 years instead of rolling up the sleeves and get the deal done. he goes to pennsylvania -- >> andrea: a small business. which is so ironic. the same group of businesses that are hit hardest by the tax increase. >> eric: i don't know if we outlined the deal that geithner proposed. $1.6 trillion. $1.6 trillion in the tax
here and negotiate with ourselves. >> that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. >> this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> with which i agree but i think the risk here for the gop is that they become the party of rich people. and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about be
's up to the republicans. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama and the house speaker spoke for a short time yesterday. nobody knows exactly what they said. and president obama is going to talk to a family in virginia, sort of a deal to get -- why don't both sides go to camp david, lock themselves behind closed doors and come up with a deal? why a pr stunt, visiting voters when that's not going to get a deal done with republicans. >> i certainly would welcome that. i think most americans would. i think what the white house is doing -- and i think it's smart -- making sure that this conversation stays where it should be, with the middle class. the white house has been raising this point. they have this #my2k, explaining to republicans and the country, we can't afford for $2,000 more to hit our tax bill. it's important for the american people to stay engaged and the white house has to keep the american people engaged and this family will be speaking for a lot of people. it doesn't make any sense, even the polls show that the wealthy are willing to pay more taxes.
, ready to sit down and negotiate with the president. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: president obama is rejecting the republican proposal because it does not raise taxes on households making $250,000 a year. the gop is offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions instead. >> the revenues on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. >> reporter: they say if the bush-era tax cuts aren't extended for everyone, it will hurt everyone. and they invited people here to make their point. >> reporter: max olson opened an insurance company this year and is concerned he won't be able to add employees. >> you add their payrolls, plus an extra tax amount, then i may not be able to hire them because of it. >> reporter: president obama pressed his case tuesday, with ceos from some of the largest companies. >> i'm here to tell you, nobody wants to get it done more than me. >> reporter: the president wants to raise taxes on just about everyone in the room to balance the budget. >> we're not insisting on rates just
. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some agreement on other issues, those remain the sticking points. i did hear from an administration official a short time ago who told me no update whatsoever when i asked whether or not there would be some counteroffer, i guess, the counteroffer from republicans. so that remains the big sticking point, and it appears that until there's some movement on that, there really won't be an agreement. >> and before you go, i understand speaker boehner and the president were at a holiday reception and, well, what happened? >> well, you know, as you know what happe
in your face rejection from republicans over the obama administration's opening negotiation on the fiscal cliff. we're going to take to steny hoyer about what this means for talks from here. and he's defending susan rice and his fellow republicans hammer away at her. former presidential candidate ambassador jon huntsman is going to join us to explain all this. and the best part about this, abby huntsman, his daughter, is going to be on the panel. kind of like their first joint appearance. we're saying ever. we have to fact check that. but we're making history this morning. plus russell simmons bringing art to kids in urban areas. why he's so passion about this cause. and this is a picture everyone on the planet is talking about. the cop who warmed the hears of everyone who's seen this photo, he's going to join us. that and much more coming up on "starting point." it's like 15 minutes away. it's friday. what could be better? >> that is a sharpie, not a pen. thought i'd correct you. >> 44 minutes past the hour. people on the west coast bracing for the threat of flooding and mudslides. meteo
is going to be the ultimate deal's going to look like the obama boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. the fact that we couldn't make that deal then i think's a tragedy for the country. one of the thing's it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. that was unnecessary. >> let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. you said you'd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could get the spending that went with it. there are some in the republican party like congressman tom cole congress them saying let's just do that. let the rates go up for those at the top, then wait and negotiate. is there anything about that that you think could make sense? >> that's not a negotiation. the president's not going to then lower those rates. >> that might be a capitulation. >> yeah, it is a capitulation. the president thinks he's got all the cards. the republicans position improves at the beginning of the year and frankly, there are a number of people coming back, people who contributed to this mess and i'm not sure as a citizen i want the
made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when i was
, a bloomberg government former members of both parties said negotiators should be able to reach an agreement. in an hour, president obama speaks to ceo's at the business roundtable, followed by news conferences with house speaker john boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of six-three, i believe, and they will say that is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> they decided on the indiana case, it was constitutional for them to establish id they did not say all of that was subsequently -- >> they talked about indiana. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people voter i.d. loss disproportionately affect minorities -- implies to me that somehow we have something missing in our brain. as -- if white americans can get id to vote and go through all the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that somehow they are not good enough? that is what bothers me about a lot of the rhetoric coming from democrats and the left.
evening, everyone. i'm larry kudlow. this is "the kudlow report." the talks are back on. team obama and team boehner are back at the negotiating table. but there is still substantial disagreement on tax rates, tax revenues, domestic spending and entitlement reform and the clock is ticking. speaking of tax hikes, europe's grand experiment with taxing the rich more is falling apart, especially in france and britain. and here at home, california and new york are passing through the 50% tax rate barrier. is anybody looking at how tax hikes fail the test of economic growth? >>> back here in the u.s., could it be michigan which used to call itself the worker's paradise union state is now moving towards new anti-union right-to-work legislation and it looks like it's going to pass? but first up, budget talks resume between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern a
proves it. 53% trust president obama and the dgets more to handle the fiscal cliff negotiations. only 36% trust the "r"s in congress. joining me is nbc chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," anything else you control around here? >> that's enough. >> and "the washington post's" chris cillizza. i think you've been reupped. year all over the place. you're the greatest. the absolute best there is in this -- >> let's be careful talking about the president outside the beltway. >> this is why i want you and chris on. what is the president hoping to get done? what's his time frame? does he believe in the cliff or does he think it's a bungee jump? >> no, he truly believes in the cliff. he has been getting -- and he's getting economic warnings from his own team that say, don't believe the congressional budget office which is kind of rosy about this who says it would be a tough 2013 if we went over the cliff but things would get better. he is getting updates saying, no, no, no we will go into recession. >> therefore, let's go to the therefore now, c
talk shows but not at the negotiating table. >> reporter: it's been 16 days since president obama and congressional leaders met to talk about how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the automatic spending cuts and tack increases that begin to kick in if there's no agreement by january 1st. 16 days to get here. >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> reporter: thursday treasury secretary timothy geithner proposed president obama's plan which included $1.6 trillion in tax revenue coming largely from an expiration of bush era tax cuts for families who make more than $250,000 a year. geithner says that's a must. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> reporter: the administration's plan also included $50 billion in new stimulus spending. boehner says the entire proposal represented three weeks of wasted time. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> reporter: the house speaker says republicans have put increased revenues, including efforts
not be out the road campaigning but back here in washington negotiating. >> dan, i will ask you to look into your crystal ball. president obama is meeting with mitt romney later today. do you have any idea what they plan to discuss? >> you know, there's a lot of speculation about governor romney playing a role in the administration. but the president himself, during his victory speech after he was re-elected talked about wanting to sit down with mitt romney to talk about ways of moving the country forward. during his post re-election news conference, the president was asked about what roles he could play or if -- what the president hoped to gain from him. the president talked about how mitt romney did a good job with the olympics, and he thought in turning around the olympics, some of that could be used to streamline government and make it more user friendly. that's what we expect for the president to be discussing with mitt romney when they sit down today for lunch at the white house. of course everyone is speculating about some possible role he could play in this white house. it's int
to be involved in negotiations, even if they are slightly not in the heart of it, which is bigger and obama. host: -- boehner and obama. host: robert, good morning. line for democrats. caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair share. i think it is the right things that we have to do to dig in and bail this country out. guest: that is a good point. you just made the connection between the taxes we pay and when we get in return. one thing but a lot of people talk about is that in this country, sometimes people -- it is hard to make that connection. a lot of money we pay goes to the military, which maybe you're not involved in, or two seniors. maybe we
: and president obama flatly turning down a republican counteroffer in the fiscal cliff negotiations. so now what? house majority whip kevin mccarthy joins us next. >> he wants to break the back of republicans. this is a continuation of his campaign. he thinks he won it, and now he wants to drive a stake through the republicans. it's all about politics, it's nothing about economickings. dre. one is for a clean, domestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now. ♪ but the fire is so delightful ♪ nothing melts away the cold like a hot, delicious bowl of chicken noodle soup from campbell's. ♪ let it snow, let it snow bill: we have new video released by police here in new york city of the moments before a man was pushed off a times square subway
miklaszewski, nbc news, pentagon. >>> back here at home, fiscal cliff negotiations in washington are still up in the air. most lawmakers have gone home for a long weekend break. this as timothy geithner says the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of continuing the tax breaks for the wealthy. now there's been very little progress here on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with
, they are flying even if the actual negotiations are at a stand still. president obama says republicans, they're the ones that need to take the next step here. republicans say no way, ball's in your court, mr. president. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. now, the revenues we're put on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, take knowledge of that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. >> where are the specifics, where are the discussions? nothing is going on. >> passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage from tax cuts for the middle -- for the rich. >> i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give your answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this s this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> debt ceiling, let's go to the white
'd think we would have somewhere to begin negotiations. the white house says what republicans have offered isn't even a start. six governors, democrats, and republicans weigh in on the fiscal cliff today. what will they tell president obama about the spending cuts and tax increases now just 28 days away? >> we must reign in our out of control spending. >> reporter: republicans have an offer, $800 billion in new taxes, half what the president wanted. $600 billion saved in part by making americans wait until they're 67 to get medicare. plus more cuts totalling $2.2 trillion. but no tax hikes for the wealthy. >> that's just not going to happen. >> reporter: the pentagon could take the biggest hit from president obama told defense experts monday, don't worry. >> even as we make very tough fiscal choices, we're going to keep investing in these programs. >> reporter: he went online on youtube and twitter explaining why he thinks the rich should pay more. going over the fiscal cliff could cost america jobs. >> we're only expanding 2% right now. it needs to be considerably higher to bring more peo
: call his bluff. be strong at the negotiating table to make sure you can do what is best in interest of the country. these are tough time and you have to stand your ground. if you look at the recent polling, obama dropped three points. in polling with the gallup poll. people aren't happy with him anyway. >> eric: there is a counterproposal, around $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. they go through spending cuts. none of the spending cuts in obama's plan. are we so far apart we will go up or is there a meeting ground? 'canes is smart of the republicans. last week, geithner to the treasury secretary and laughed at. across the board, left and right commentators said i think president obama is overplaying the hand here. they have a plan to get him what he campaigned on and said he wanted. they called it smart. we had the simpson bowl plan. deficit reduction plan how to get it back on track. they are proposing the plan that is a democrat version of the -- democrat counterpart to simpson. very smart. this offer was serious. the white house even though they put out a statement sayi
the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this quomz comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. so, in some sense it's a tax cut for all americans. >> reporter: bottom line, anderson, we're talking today but still at stalemate. >> yeah, i mean, it's a sign, jessica and dana, of just how lac
and will also lead to incremental job creation. >> negotiations continue on the fiscal cliff. obama appeared yesterday to raise prospect that some sort of modification on the deduction for interest payments could be put on the table. there are many people within the housing industry that go screaming around like headless chickens at the prospect of that. do you think it would have a huge impact if it came through? >> the biggest single risk that could derail the housing recovery. we're in the second or third innings out of nine. anything that flexes downward deductibility of interest expense for home mortgages is potentially catastrophic threat to the recovery. >> really? do you think that in the toll brothers space that whether or not people get a check for $10,000 is going to affect whether they purchase a house? >> what we're really talking about here, simon, is the incremental buyer on the margin. it's a question of do we have buyers? yes. are the number of buyers increasing? something which takes $10,000 out of your pocket will make you less likely to buy a house. it will have a negativ
that is ages. that is a very long time for them to negotiate and come up with a deal. >> and, jason, president obama is returning to a tactic that he's used in the past. he's taken the pitch on taxes directly to the american people in a trip to pennsylvania today. house speaker john boehner not so happy about it. let's listen for a minute -- >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and one-sided leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> well, republicans are reportedly planning their own fiscal cliff pr campaign designed to show that the democrats are simply digging in, they're being stubborn, election is over, shouldn't both sides be focused on doing the job they were elected to do. how do you see it? >> look, you're going to have a bunch of rallying on both sides and some of this is theatrics. it's christmastime. you know how you tell your kids you have to be really good or santa's not going to give you what you want but you know you will buy t
take president obama's view, extend bush tax cuts for all but the top 2%. that's a sign some republicans may be open to higher rates for the rich. >>> is it possible negotiators could learn something from the most important movie out there right now "lincoln." doris kearns goodwin joins us. >>> let me finish with how lincoln outlawed slavery for good and how he did it using politics. this is "hardball," the place for politics. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] >>> how's this for irony? mitt romney has finally captured 47% of america. remember this video that sunk the romney campaign? >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them. >> well, the cook report points out ro
here. >> reporter: he sure does, george. and later today, president obama will speak to corporate executives at the business roundtable. and he'll try to enlist their help in his negotiations with congressional republicans. and his latest demand, that congress remove its own power as it stands right now, to raise the debt ceiling. it is a bold gambit that congressional republicans are already calling a non-starter. paul ryan stepped back into the spotlight late tuesday, with a feisty shot at the president. >> i congratulate him on his victory. but on january 20th, he'll face a stagnant economy and a fiscal mess. you might even say he'll inherit these problems. >> reporter: there's a lot of bah humbug in washington, d.c. these days. 'tis the season to be surly. the president told bloomberg television that without tax rates going up on the wealthiest americans, there will be no deal to avert going over the fiscal cliff. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: house republicans are adamant, no
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
bargaining position with president obama if they were to give taxpayers an early christmas present, vote to stepped the bush tax cuts all but the highest income earners and negotiate later about the highest -- about the very top bracket. that sounds like a way out of this corner the republicans have painted themselves into. >> it's an interesting tactic or strategy. the challenge is >> you're not against >> two things. by announcing -- we are trying to decide how to cut spending and we have a spending problem not a failure to raise taxes problem. and i think we should be focused on spending and when you have chambliss, four or five congressmen have said, we could raise taxes here and there. to be fair to them, someone like south carolina lindsay graham said i would raise taxes a little if i could get a guarantee of entitlement reform, a series of things democrats will never give them. when the "new york times" or cbs reports that conversation or talk by lindsay graham, they said if he said i would be willing to raise taxes, the rest of the conversation disappears. so the challenge for co
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